Originally Posted by princess.tima

or maybe people could stop popping pills like candy.

Originally Posted by Captain Cheddar

The story said "According to the family member's account, the friends had MDMA, commonly known as ecstasy. They took the capsules shortly after arriving at the after-hours club."

It sounds like they are relying on the family member's account...no drug test? It could have been anything...nobody knows what's in those things...she could've been drinking...this is sad...I highly doubt MDMA caused an over dose.

Originally Posted by Captain Cheddar

And about methamphetemines putting holes in the brain. MDMA IS a methamphetemine.

MDMA - Methyline Dioxy Methamphetemine

Originally Posted by chipakapockets

I agree, a blood test should have been done (and probably was, but not made publicly available, due to requests of the family) to investigate the precise cause of her death. The family member, no doubt, decided that she would confess her account of the story to the media. This doesnt' mean that the mother and father of the "victim" saw it necessary to let the public know exactly what their daughter was on at the time of her death!



MDMA has a mehtamphetamine base. Actually, methamphetamines have an amphetamine base. Because it contains the chemical structure of another drug does not indicate it will cause the same damage as the similarly constructed drug. It does not even mean it will give the same affects as the similar drug. MDA does not act in the same way as speed... but it has an amphetamine structure in it.

MDMA causes alterations to the growth of neurons but, as of yet, has not been prooven to "punch holes in your brain." Technically, as of yet there is no concrete evidence to support exactly what MDMA does do to you. Different tests from different scientists show completely contrary findings. For isntance, claiming that it "dries out your spinal fluid" is a rediculous claim. The only way they can test for amounts of spinal fluid is after the subject is dead... that can and does alter the levels of spinal fluid in the body, making these tests absolutely worthless. Tests that many of the commonly believed "affects of MDMA on the human physiology" have been taken from several different studies which have since been prooven to be dismissable due to outside factors. A study performed in California (I might be wrong about where it was performed) on six lab monkeys which were injected with liquid MDMA was admitted, just this September, to have false results. Five of the six lab monkeys were injected with mislabeled vials containing liquid amphetamine (speed) instead of liquid MDMA. This can cause quite a swing in the results of a study. The results of this study have now been dismissed by the world's scientific community. Other tests were taken from a man who used MDMA throughout his life and, upon death, submitted his body to be examined for the affects of MDMA. Unfortunately, MDMA was not his only experimented with drug. The man's body had been abused by a long list of illicit and non-illicit substances. Studying this man's body and brain will never be able to proove the damages of use/abuse of any particular substance because of this.

In the end, it still is not known exactly what the negative long term affects of the use/abuse of MDMA are. Either way, I can guarantee they're not good. But spreading false information is a silly idea. When people find out that they have been being taught lies about drugs, they will in many cases assume that, since they were being lied to about the drugs, perhaps the drugs don't actually cause any harm to them. People should learn to preach truths or nothing about drugs. The only way to ensure a drug-free society and/or generation is through truth, not deceit.

It's true that, no matter how tight they make club security, people are going to continue to find ways to sneak drugs in or, if all else fails, take them before entering the club/event of destination. Many people still do drugs for the fact that they are "rebelling" by doing something illegal. This adds quite a bit of glamour to drug use for many many people (mostly teens). I theorize that the laws against drugs are the reason they are being used so frequently. Look at Holland, sporting one of the world's lowest drug use-per capita rates!! Although drugs are illegal in Holland, the police have not enforced drug laws in over thirty years. The first few years (as much as a decade, I think... I can't remember right now) drug use soared among their population, but then burned itself out. As one of Holland's political leaders (I can't remember if they have a president, prime minister, etc.) quite aptly put it, "My country has succeeded in making drug use boring." By not enforcing the laws and allowing drugs to be, in essence, "legal," the idea of doing drugs and "doing something you're not supposed to" - being a rebel - vanished. After the brief climax due to the fact that many people most obviously thought to themselves, "holy crap!! If it's legal, I'm gonna try it!" drug use plummeted in the country. That has prooven to be a very effective means of elliminating drug use in their country. Just the same, though, I suppose that wouldn't really work to prevent the tragedy at hand if the girl was completely intent on using ecstasy. If she was doing it "just to be a rebel" or something to that effect, then it deffinitely would have stopped it.

PLUR,

Chip

Originally Posted by Sexy.kitten

Yeah, personally I know my limits and I know when I cross them. I think it would be hard to not know when you have crossed your limits.