anabolic frolic

I modified the title of this thread to something more accurate. Lots of incorrect info out there.

I noticed on the utrave site that there are a couple of threads from people asking for the promoters to scan in the permits. So far nothing.

HardKore_PurpLe

some of u keep thinking they had no permit for a mass gathering in which they did : Party promotor Brandon Fullmer said he purchased a mass gathering permit through the Utah County Health Department about three weeks ago. The purchase of that permit, which ensures water, sanitation and medical services, was confirmed by County Health employee Jay Stone.

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Dude, if you're going to quote, use the entire quote.

Then of course there's this quote from the 2nd article that was posted:

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I've been through all of this myself personally. I threw a party in an underground parking garage once with the best information I had telling me it was OK which included seeing police walking through the venue the week before at another party and no issues. Well, it wasn't ok and I was crucified for it and spent the next couple of years in court. My excuse then was venues like that were a regular thing and we didn't know any better, but in the year 2005 you got to make sure you dot your i's and cross your t's.

So, since I've been there, I know how these things happen. I understand why people feel strongly about what went down, but it's important to look at all the information with a level head. My first reaction was disgust and outrage as well, but now I'm trying to look at all pieces of the puzzle.

Last I read the promoters are claiming to have had ALL the permits (the health one AND the county one, despite one of their quotes to the contrary) so the onus is on them to prove that. Until they do however, I have my suspicions.

Troile

This gave me the chills

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peachfuzz

Even without the proper permits and such though, is police brutality actually warranted. That is my question.

Sure, I can see breaking a party up, and if people resist, then you'll have to use force... but seeing video footage of like 5 officers standing around one person, beating the hell out of him/her, and kicking them while they're on the ground just completely disgusts me.

anabolic frolic

well, theres certainly seperate issues here. I'm speaking more of the circumstances of WHY the party was busted in the first place.

I could never condone the cops acting as they did though when it came time to shut it down.

kylefabulous

i wouldn't mind picking your brain =)

any idea when we might see a copy of such book or possibly a documentary?

and on to the mentoring thing.. u could be like a rave support hotline...

3 am the phone rings and frolic answers to hear a frantic rave promoter calling for help... FROLIC what do i do...

i can see it now =0 robin and gavin would love it im sure =)

hehe... and about the actual topic of this post... i love it when frolic starts the investigation ... he's just so good at being level headed and realistic...
definately a quality i admire...

hrmm.. ok i'm done.. i'm gonna go make dinner... BBQ chicken legs, green beans, and white cheddar macaroni... YUM

love you hulla ravers i really do.. i would DIE if something like that happened to any of us...

Guardian419

Pretty fucked up... BTW I dont think that video works anymore and I still wanna check it out...

kylefabulous

i tried to show it to my boyfriend and it was not working either...

i watched several times the other day

Hoppapotamus

Hmm.. the only reason im not so sure, is because the sherriff does lie in this statement. In the sound version of the video you can hear dogs barking, and he claims there were no dogs.

The thing i dont like about the promoters statement, is that he makes several spelling mistakes, which is unproffessional, but it seems this is the message he sent to fellow party goers.

Anyways, here are the statements.

Sheriff Tracy's response to emails.
Thank you for your concern, all of your facts are incorrect and the gross exaggerations on the internet are just that, exaggerations and lies. Please view the "video" frame by frame, it shows two people, the two who assaulted our deputies, being taken to the ground and handcuffed, not assaulted. There were two people that were dealt with in a physical manner after kicking and assaulting the Deputy. No gas, no dogs, no tasers, and no military or guns were pointed into any ones face or were used. This gathering was illegal and a venue for rampant use of illegal drugs.

I am "the establishment" and you will choose to call me a liar and I will not waste any more of my time arguing with those that have political agendas that include allowing or promoting the breaking of law.

Sheriff Tracy


Promoters statement:

I was the main event organizer for "Versus II", I have been throwing parties in Utah for over 6 years now. I have done well over 75 parties, and NEVER in my life have witnessed anything so disrupting!

To clear up any questions any of you had for the event at hand, we DID have all proper permits to host the event on the property that we did. The Utah national guard is one of the agencies that raided the show, and they were the worst ones. That girl you see getting the shit beat out happens to be one of my good friends, keep in mind this girl does not drink, do drugs, or anything of the sort. All she is is a major DNB fan. We also have hand on eyewitnesses with writen statements stating thay had witnessed 2 of the ment in camo take a young intoxicated girl into one of the porto-potties during the main coarse of the raid while one of them stood outside a watch. In the mean time we presented the "Utah County Mass Gathering Permit" to the officer in charge and he said" No you do not have a permit for this and confiscated my folder w/ insurance policy, Permits, Business Licsense, and proof of permission to use property for the event.


THIS IS THE COUNTRY WE LIVE IN TODAY!!

IT'S ALL FUCKED!!!

We are in the mistd of organizing a protest party in the capital lawn of salt lake city utah to let our voiced be heard. We will keep all of you informed on what is going on.

I and the rest of my krew appreciate all of the support from everyone across the world, and we do want to let all of you know that we WILL NOT let this matter slide.

We have met with our attorneys and are filing a multi-million dollar class action law suite to accomidate the injuries, mental distress, and everything else that happened to these innocent party goers.

These events that happened are starting to be publicly released nation wide on news stations, national radio talk shows and so on and so forth.

The support from all of you is why!

RESPEKT!!

I guess we will see how this turns out.

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anabolic frolic

These promoters should be taking the high road and trying to come across as respectable business people. No politician is going to side with those kinds of rants. A calm explanation of their version of events, including dates of when these permits were acquired, etc.. and they'd probably be advised to be funneling everything they have to say through a lawyer and media relations people.

When we put on the iDance rallies in Toronto, they were so well organized, so well supported, by the time they rolled around the politicians felt it was in THEIR best interests TO SUPPORT us. AFAIK the iDance rallies were the most successful of their kind in North America, both in turnout (over 20,000 each time) and positive effect it had on the scene. Although ultimately the damage was done and the scene was never the same. But at least it allowed us to continue in some fashion for another 5 years.

I wish them the best.

Super D

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_235151602.html


here's the other side. enjoy

anabolic frolic

Good to see a lawyer is actually involved now. If the case is built around excesive force then hopefully they have a chance and the permit thing is irrelevant.

I see the promoters have been advised to not say anything more online. finally, some good advice.

DJLeash

finally watched the video,
it about made me sick, no kidding.
the cops all stomping and kneeing that kid on the ground, not to mention the four or five other people surrounded by cops lying on the ground.
Permit or not, its just uncalled for. What kind of world is this. I've seen more screwed up people at ozfest than at parties. I mean, god. THEY HAD ASSAULT RIFLES!!!?!
WHY? Why would they need mass artilery and the full on swat gear like they're heading over to iraq? Its a fucking scare tactic, it doesn't matter if the promoters win the lawsuit, because all they wanted to do was fuck up some ravers and show, it doesn't matter what you think you have because the police, the government, and the rest of them can just stomp it out of you. What a screwed up world we live in. I mean everybody's seen parties get busted, or heard of them getting busted. They didn't used to get this violent with it did they? I mean here a couple parties got busted for curfew violations(ie. all ages party, curfew for those under 18 is like eleven o clock or something) Keep in mind this was several years ago. so yeah cops come in line everybody up check id's and the underage kids get taken in and their parents get called. But no huge problems, no kids gettin the shit kicked out of em or anything. Just that's it, parties over everybody go home.

why do they have to get all crazy about it, like its a war?
We are insurgents. I don't understand. I really don't. That shit in flint, now this. Its like a trend is starting up or something. I just dunno.

2 cents dropped once again...

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HardKore_PurpLe

i agree with you, regardless if they promoters had the right permits or not there was no reason for this kind of action, a simple " partys over go home" would have been enuff the kids at the party would have just gone home,not to mention the police did not show a warrant to even be on the persons property!

djsigma

Not that it was acceptable, but I'm reasonably sure the police don't need a warrant in a situation like this. If it was true that there were undercover cops there investigating the scene, there was enough probably cause to send in the actual cops to shut things down. Thats not to say they were justified in actually doing it the way they did, however. It was just ridiculous, with all the Army type people there.

Everybodies_Daddy

I thank God I was born in Canada when I hear things like this.

I've seen some parties busted, including illegal warehouse jams and whatnot, and every time, it was always just a couple cops coming in, finding the promoter, and telling him "Party's over. Turn off the music and go home." Everyone left peacefully. As you left, the cops had a soft cordon set up to ensure nothing got out of hand, but they were very polite and courteous, as they should be to the citizens they're paid to protect.

I've also done extensive riot control training, use of force training, and detention techniques. If they did indeed point their weapons at the patrons, that constitutes use of 'Deadly Force'. (You don't point your weapon at something you don't intend on killing is the gist of it.) Those officers who carried out those actions have to be able to justify with absolute certainty that their life was in danger.

If the allegations are true, I think those who hold the power, especially those with the liability of use of force need to be reminded of the responsibility that comes with these actions. I hope they're prosecuted to to full extent of the law, and put duty only when stoplights go out.

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kylefabulous

^^^ what he said

Glyce

I love you guys. I agree with most things said. 'Nuff said. Our renegade got busted. It was fair, it was legit that it did, and the police were chill cats. A little put-offish, but there was no reason to use force, so they didn't. Fuckin' ridiculous.

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DJLeash

kudos mike,
always well said.

Fitzpatrick

I read an official statement by the promoter (can find the link atm buts its on utravers.org).

And in this it has a link to utahs website and the law about the mass gathering. The law stated that you only need a permit if the event is to have more than 250 people and last for more than 12 hours.

So it sounds like if he didn't have it then he didn't need it.

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anabolic frolic

If that 12 hour deal is for real, then they really have a case now.

I am going to go back to my very first comment though, that promoters in general should stop coming across as subversive and promote their events with full disclosure of the venue. That will help with the perception from the authorities.