Remman4

Ohio freakin passed a non smoking law yesterday...

I am so stoked, takes effect in 30 days, no more smoking in public enclosed spaces!!!!!!!



Yeeha!

for the record I don't like the politics of it (libertarian) but I can put that aside for the benefits I will reap!

Pompiidou

i dont smoke but i still think its crap to make people go outside. what about bars and restaurants? theyre business will be shot to hell. i think its stupid.

Guardian419

Im from Ohio, I quit smoking... but you know what.... fuck ohio's laws.

No Typical Raver

Did It Pass? Oh God I Am So Fucking Happy!

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Weaver

why is it crap to make people who smoke go outside?

its THEIR choice to smoke, not the people's who don't. If someone wants to smoke, I shouldn't have to as well just because I'm in the same room as they are.

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sporkacide

Ditto. I shouldn't have sit and breathe in smoke just because someone wants a cig at the dinner table or with a drink.

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heatheraloo

agreed. do what you want with your body as long as it doesnt AFFECT anyone else..and obviously second-hand smoke does.

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No Typical Raver

i'd like to take this opportunity to invite everyone to LOL at the smokers who are outside in the snow smoking at restaraunts and bars in a month or so

peachfuzz

meh, they should at least allow businesses to pay a fee if they want to have smoking in their establishments... though they should be forced to put a sign up that says "smoking allowed here". then, non-smokers could chose to either go into that place or go somewhere else.

this law does hurt businesses, a lot actually. besides, when you're getting sloshed at a bar, the smoke inside shouldn't be the chiefest of your concerns.

No Typical Raver

what should be then? getting home? the effects of alcohol? responsible drinkers will have a DD or a taxi or not get that drunk at all, anyone who acts otherwise is probably gonna end up dead or seriously hurt (hey you drink and drive, you kinda deserve it). and if you're in a bar to get wasted thats your choice and you're going there to do just that knowing the consequences, however you shouldnt have to be exposed to a known cancer causing agent as well against your will


NOW, look on the bright side! the carpentry and construcion industry will get a major boost due to clubs not wanting to lose their crowds and building large decks and patios outside

Remman4

I read that Florida's nightlife actually showed an increase in revenue upon banning public smoking...

not validated, but interesting though nonetheless...

peachfuzz

did you actually read what you just typed, man? heh. a choice between dealing with smoke for a couple of hours, or possibly driving home drunk and crashing/dying. hrm. and you say "responsible", but how many "responsible" drinkers are there, and to add onto that, how many "responsible" dd's are there?

and yes, you should worry about the effects of alcohol as well. if you want to talk long term, like you are talking about cancer, what about cirrhosis? that is just as bad as cancer, and i'm not too sure about the statistics, but they probably match up pretty well with the people who contracted cancer by way of smoking.

drinking leads to loss of inhibition and bad decisions, which i believe is worse than spending a little while around smokers.

besides, why take the rights away from some people, and give them to others? that's descrimination to me. personally, i'm an on/off smoker. i'll smoke for a while, then quit for like four or five months, then smoke for a while again, so i couldn't care about it either way.

what they should do is go back to the old smoking/non-smoking sections. smoking of course being in a different room, so that the people whose pussies hurt in the non-smoking section can't bitch about anything.

and, believe me... the ban does hurt local bars/clubs. i've lived in both columbus, and new york, neither of which you're allowed to smoke anywhere inside. let me tell you, once those bans went into effect, business dropped off STEEPLY.

miami doesn't count because its in florida, and even worse, its part of the bermuda triangle.

No Typical Raver

i'm talking about secondhand smoke. if you go out drinking, you are doing that because you want to, if you smoke, its because you want to. i dont go out drinking because i want to smoke. even if i am causing harm to myself (which occasionally drinking wont really affect much) why should i have further harm caused to me?

the studies are out man, secondhand smoke is VERY dangerous. i like my lungs, they work just fine, and id like to keep it that way.

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criminals/politicians.

peachfuzz

i'm just saying that there is no reason to ban it completely when there are much better alternatives.

No Typical Raver

its not banned completely! when you think about it, there are FAR more harsh smoking bans out there like the ones that restrict parks and make you stand so far away from the buildings.


really my main concern was restaraunts. i fucking HATE smoke while i'm eating and the little foot tall glass partition doesnt do shit to separate the sections

peachfuzz

i'll agree with restaurants.

No Typical Raver

i've found that most people will. but to cover that they'd have to ban smoking in establishments that serve food and that covers most bars as well

Weaver

most clubs got outdoor smoking sections (here) now anyways, everything seems to be fine. If people really want a cig they don't seem to care that they have to step out to the balcony or what have you for 5 mintues

mintjellie

You don't have to because you can choose not to be in the same room as them.

My problem with this is that bars and restaurants are not public spaces. They are private spaces owned by private citizens who ideally should have the right to decide what sort of patrons they wish to attract.

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mintjellie

No one forces you to go to a restaurant.

peachfuzz

i definitely don't mind in the summer, and usually prefer it to being inside... but in the winter, its damned cold.

CareSieB

It passed here a few years ago, and is working out wonderfully! All bars and clubs have put in smoking areas and here the revenue has actually increased for these establishments.

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mintjellie

are the smoking areas inside? like and enclosed area with a separate ventilation system? because things like that, it wouldn't surprise me if businesses did better because of it. you attract non-smokers who normally wouldn't go out because of the smoke, and you don't lose any of the smokers during the winter.