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Old May 1st, 2001, 02:20 AM   #1
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All this talk about the life getting squeezed out of the T.O.underground is making me think...

I think it all started to change after that party by umm.... oh shit, the one with Jason Nevins... it had an odd name.. at the BLC... the one that EC ruined the night before, and it had that tall chick there trying to convince ravahs to be EC dancers etc... i think that's where the public world started shitting on the underground... I think...

Thoughts?

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Old May 1st, 2001, 07:49 AM   #2
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I work at EC, but I love Jon Danzig and Henry Rollins.

So in conclusion.

I dunno.
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Old May 1st, 2001, 10:32 AM   #3
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I don't think the "public world" really cared about raves until people started dying at them. It's only when a serious incident occurs that media attention starts to focus on the negative.


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Old May 1st, 2001, 02:15 PM   #4
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Henry Rollins.

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Old May 1st, 2001, 03:44 PM   #5
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Now why is it the best....
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Old May 5th, 2001, 09:49 PM   #6
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Old June 6th, 2001, 03:26 PM   #7
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Old June 6th, 2001, 06:28 PM   #8
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umm...
you people did it; it wasn't any outside force.

"people" didn't start dying at them

it was two people

some cities have that many in a month.. some places get PMA all the time.

and what do we do? dress like thugs and stand and stare at MCs.
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Old June 7th, 2001, 03:35 PM   #9
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That doesn't apply to us techno kids does it?

Plaid shirts and hoodies arn't nearly as threatening

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Old June 8th, 2001, 03:31 AM   #10
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roches - whats wrong with looking good, and not all of us just stand around, nuff a thug can straight out rip the floor to shit
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Old June 12th, 2001, 01:44 AM   #11
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plus that oh so cool lingo...
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Old June 12th, 2001, 03:57 AM   #12
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did you know, that in the states, it is a requirement to own at least one article of ecko clothing to be let into an all night rave party?

and i just feel so much better about myself if i wear something really expensive just so that i can sweat on it and rub it agains other peoples plur juice.

i think indian music is going to be all the rage in a few years

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Old June 12th, 2001, 04:06 PM   #13
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East Indian music or Native American Indian music?

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Either one would go nicely into the mainstream...
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Old June 13th, 2001, 12:22 AM   #14
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it is going to be east india music
you know, the one with the high pitched vocals (!!), the fast crazy non beat background, brought to you from the land where they make movies like no ones business...

dahler mendi is already taking over napster

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Old June 13th, 2001, 05:15 PM   #15
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That music makes me horny

I love it, can't get enough infact.

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Old June 13th, 2001, 09:18 PM   #16
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hold it down, massive inside!

you said

plaid shirts and hoodies

what does that make you?

or, what does that make me ?
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Old June 13th, 2001, 10:06 PM   #17
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plaid shirts and hoodies

isnt that the official uniform of the lumberjack lesbian?

*puts away the ax*

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Old June 14th, 2001, 01:04 AM   #18
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It makes me nothing but what I want to be seen as; a kid who's not out to be fashionble, but tries to look good, who can party and have fun, thats what the plaid and hoodie make me.

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Old June 19th, 2001, 01:59 PM   #19
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WHat the heck was that about having to own at least one piece if ECKO clothing to get into a rave in the states. I don't know what part of the country you were in, but I have never experienced that kind of fashion police treatment. Unless you tried to go to a club, which are the only places that hold on to the "priviledge" of turning people down because of the way they are dressed. I think that door men who act like that were abused by their peers when they were in school and this is the only way they can let out their frustration.

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Old June 19th, 2001, 02:35 PM   #20
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^^^someone cant tell sarcasm....

tee hee

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Old June 23rd, 2001, 08:06 AM   #21
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but clubs do that.

it's strange. clubs are supposed to be an evolution of that dirty, nasty, childlike rave scene.. and strangely enough, didn't the greatness, the popularity, of the rave scene grow out of the concept of them NOT being able to tell you you can't get in because you're wearing a hat? out of its accessibility?

clubbing is inherently an activity for the relatively affluent urban social elite...it's an exclusive activity rather than inclusive like raving is.

but you get rid of all the dirty kids, right?

come on, it's a fucking hat.

i really wish the elitists would learn better when to be snobby and when to be tolerant. you can deal with someone with a hat, or phat pants (listen; consider it 'retro' or 'vintage style', which is haughty enough to be clubworthy). you might be surprised to find that if you don't focus on it entirely, you can even deal with people rolling on the floor.

if you want a real and legitimate scene, be snobby about the music, be snobby towards promoters that expect you to accept what they give, regardless of quality...stop hurting your own culture already before you too become ashamed to be yourself...

what we need here is more promoters that actually care. why are there none? is it because people really can't get passionate about western austrian progressive hard tech garage-step breaks or whatever genre the bandwagon picked up last weekend? but then, i don't know why we forsook it all in the first place. come on; it took me about two weeks to get over how cool it was that i could buy my own alcohol when i turned 19, so realize that the only reason ethanol should be considered the dividing line between dirty and gloriously hip is because it might raise the price of smirnoff stock.

i am extremely bitter.
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Old June 23rd, 2001, 02:39 PM   #22
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It sure sounds like!

I donno about clubs being that selective as to not allow someone to wear a hat or phat pants. All the ones that I have ever been to have let me in no problem with a record bag, phat pants and running shoes. The only problem I've ever had is getting my one friend in because he had a red bandana on that was there to match his shirt.

Other then that they seem alright with what you wear, as long as it isn't overly threatening in appearance, and not going to draw too much attention. I wonder if someone dressed all Gothic would get into a regular club?
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i really wish the elitists would learn better when to be snobby and when to be tolerant. you can deal with someone with a hat, or phat pants (listen; consider it 'retro' or 'vintage style', which is haughty enough to be clubworthy). you might be surprised to find that if you don't focus on it entirely, you can even deal with people rolling on the floor.

I've been saying something along those lines for awhile now. In fact, I think half of my posts have been directed at you with similar intentions. I don't think its up to everyone else to make you have a good time, its up to you to do your best to have fun, and in doing so, hopefully pick up the mood of those around you.
Fun by osmosis, so to speak. Hopefully the crowd will follow your lead.
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if you want a real and legitimate scene, be snobby about the music, be snobby towards promoters that expect you to accept what they give, regardless of quality...stop hurting your own culture already before you too become ashamed to be yourself...

I see your point there, and I guess I have to agree with it. Being snobby does sort of have its place, and will keep some sort of set standard in place. Personally I'm not as much snobby about it all as I am protective, mainly about it all and doing my best not to be all in everyone's faces about the fact that I go to those 'all night rave dance parties'. Its back to being a quiet little scene (I think) and I'm doing my best to keep it that way.

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Old June 23rd, 2001, 04:28 PM   #23
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actually there are clubs around here that do require a certain dress code for entrance

one being no hats (this apparently makes people spend more than .5 of a second doing their hair) and no sneakers/sporty shoes ( i dont know what this is for, maybe they have plush carpeting that they dont want ruined)

also theres that 18+ for girls and 21+ for guys so that the club atmosphere is more like that of a meat market so the older guys can pick up and illegaly buy drinks for the younger nubile females...

some dude took a pic of quosh last night and then went around and attempted to take a pic of me from the front ( i was wearing a bikini top) at which point i ducked, and "politely" told him to go fuck himself

he was at least 35, wearing a long sleeved purple shirt, tucked into his "fancy pants" and a gold chain....

i think he confused the "rave" i was at with a club.....or maybe it was the "schoolgirl contest" going on that night...

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ehh.. clubs.

ive never had a problem getting in but i know someday they'll make me take my hat off. and not the "would you please check your hat, sir?" kind of way either. more like mutzen auf! with some barking dogs.

which is another thing..
granted club security is better than party security (at least i can put my hands in my pockets or touch my nose without fear of reprisal) but still.. if the whole idea of a DRESS CODE and 19+ is "classy", then, well, you should at least be treated like you're human.

there *are* nice security guards in the world; i violated a dress code at a casino with a hat and vest, and they just asked me to check it (for free). for some reason, the vest was considered a "jacket" and forbidden, but they let me wear a hoodie and phat pants. see, i don't think that makes you look dirty, and it can be done well enough that you look just as "nice" and formal as someone in "clubwear" or even a jacket and tie.

but then, i also think electronic music is--some part of it, anyway--for everyone, and that derrick may is not the exclusive possession of a clubbing pseudo-elite.
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You know, it has gotten to the point where the distinction between raves an clubs has gotten to be so blataltly obvious that it really isn't worth while to compare one to the other. I think the only aspect in which one could make a comparison is in how promoters and club owners use their shall we call it "charm". The prices of admission to certain parties and certain clubs has gotten to be ridiculous. The sad thing about it is that we have allowed it to get that bad because we pay the prices they are posting without questioning the quality of treatment we get from them in both the talent they are providing and how they treat their patrons as a whole.

So wichever one of you it was who said the you almost have to be snobby about where you choose to go, My hat is tipped to you. If there's anything to be done about the scene it has to come from a purely psychological standpoint. We as a whole cannot afford to be indiferent to what is happening because that gets us nowhere. We need to be more concious about what our actions are going to portray about our scene.

A few weeks ago I went to an outlaw which started out with a bunch of party kids waiting for a particular subway at a particular stop. It was supposed to be a good vibe event, with good music and a bunch of friends. What it turned out to be was a shameful display of people who don't have enough common sense to know how to behave themselves in a moment of unrestrained fun. THe subway cars at the end of this ride looked like a major natural disaster had passed through them. When we finally got to our destination people were being so noisy and obnoxious that neighboors immediately felt compelled to call the cops. Needles to say the party was busted within minutes of its gotten started. So I ask, if this is the kind of behaviour people display when they go to parties what the heck do we expect.

Selectiveness should not only apply to venues and DJ talent it should also apply to the type of people you allow to partake of the scene. We don't need people who are in it for damaging reasons. If you wnat to do drugs do them but do them responsably and know your limit. THere is no fun in complete obliteration. If you just can't contain your enthsiasm because your parents are not around to tell you what to do and you have finally been able to experience a moment of "true" freedom, try to have fun without ruining someone else's good time by bein g destructive toward somone else's property or their person. If you feel that you can't handle any of the two factors I mentioned then stay the hell out of the scene. Just stay home and get fucked up if that's what you consider to be fun. At least that way you'll save yourself the price of admission to a party which you wouldn't have a memory of being at because of bein g so fucked up that you can't remember where you went or what you did. It will also save the scene another horrible event to add to the many for which we are being attacked.

Just my oppinion.

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